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Friday, October 30, 2009

Should Women Submit to Men?

  I know the topic seems wide so i have sort of narrowed down the scope to the subject of should women submit to men in the context of a family.

I was browsing through some old fashion magazines the other day and came across this article that struck my nerve in a kind of unpleasant way. And by unpleasant i mean that i felt that there was SOME truth in it... but ... i am uncomfortable with the "overall picture" and of course the inconspicuous consequence of what that meant to me particularly.

The article was that this one women who said she was a young, sassy, independent woman with a great career and of course, great money. Not surprisingly, she was her own boss. No one told her what to do, what to say or how to do it. She found her own ways. She made it happen and she saw to it that no one got in the way.

And then she got married...

Now she claims that the beginning years of her marriage were manageable but it slowly began to fall apart under the increasing pressures of work and family life. She felt the need to control everything and anything until her husband could not stand her nags and orders. The solution to her problem? She let her husband make all the major decisions of the family. And i quote, " whenever my husband asks me, hey what do you think? i just answer, Whatever suits you best, it's up to you." And this woman was convinced that this has saved her marriage. I could not be more shocked if not utterly disappointed.

I am convinced that most women today face the same pressures. And this need to "control" everything is none other than a by product of growing feminism and all that equality of gender notion. Isn't this supposed to be good? Wasn't this how our forefathers (in our case, mothers) envisioned equality to be? If men can shout at us, we can shout at them too. But we did not expect them to crumble or fall apart, and least of all, build up walls around them to block our incessant nagging... and now we are to blame. Sucks doesn't it??

It is Biblical that a wife should submit to her husband. And i think in this day and age, i find that not only disturbing if not unconscionable. I always questioned why i was born a girl. Why should i submit to someone's wishes just because of my gender. I am my own person. And what if he is wrong and I AM RIGHT?? doesn't that carry any weight at all?

I watched "The View" one day and that one episode was a discussion about whether America should choose it's first black president or it's first women president. And issues of feminism and racism and politics were all clouding the discussion and it became very interesting. But then, Whoopi Goldberg raised her arms in the air and shouted "stop! stop! we have got to stop confusing ourselves on whether this is women's issue or a black issue. Lets just vote for whoever that makes the most sense!". And i sat there, just thinking to myself, "Heck yeah! Wasn't that simple?"

In the same way, inside a family, couldn't two equal individuals make important decisions based on the one that makes the most sense? I can see that sometimes, decisions within the family, especially ones that deal with how their child should be raised can be highly emotionally motivated, but the real issue i am dealing with is, why should women submit? why should we be "automatically" sidelined when two parties cannot reach an agreement? I do not agree to this "automatic" sifting mechanism and i believe i never will.

I believe that in todays day and age, it is right that both parties should be allowed to make a stand for what they believe in, sometimes, even at the cost of their lives, and unfortunately enough, perhaps their marriage. But i also believe that marriage is a valuable asset to the stability of a society and a stable family is the optimum environment for child rearing therefore, it should not be taken lightly. Now the difficult part is perhaps to be able to draw the line. To "pick your fights" and to give and take. This i can accept.

Perhaps today's women become blinded by the false sense of glory when we stand up for women's rights, fighting for equality, barging through the parliament gates demanding attention that we are unintentionally fighting the wrong enemy as a result?? Because if men are the enemy then something is wrong. The real enemy could be closer to home than we'd like to think.

The real issue i found myself struggling with, much to my surprise, was myself and my pride. We're so afraid of losing out, missing out. Having such a background of favoritism of the male gender has left women with this defensive attitude towards everything. I fell through a slippery slope of battling with my boyfriend, my parents, my male colleagues and even God. Marriage, household chores, education, careers, babies.. everything was sexist, unfair, and unconscionable therefore unacceptable. I was and i guess still am, determined not to allow sexism but i went overboard. I felt bitter. And alone.

Not surprisingly, men too have pride. And it is when their pride gets in the way of rationality, it becomes a dangerous weapon indeed. We all have seen the consequence of a male chauvinistic mentality so, no, we do not want to go back to those dark ages...(so i guess the answer is NO!)... but neither do we want the pendulum to swing too far to the other direction.

All in all, i think i am still at the stage where i can accept a good discussion/debate before i could ever imagine myself in a state of submission. That is fair isn't it?
 Posted 10/30/2009 10:22 PM - 56 Views - 4 eProps - 4 comments

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hi babee!

i'll comment here instead of fbook because im afraid my 2 cents worth would seem rather bleh compared to others which seem so insightful!they raised issues which i myself never even thought off.and also i have the tendency to just blabla without thinking.-_-

you know what is rather interesting is that i had this similar talk with my parents when i arrived home in msia.i come from a family where, well i wouldnt say that my mum holds the most power in my family but it is certainly the case where my mum does not in every respect,submit to my dad.i mean of course she fulfills her obligations as a wife,she respects him,loves him and everything but when it comes to her career, my mum did not give up her career.

but i think the difference in my family is that, my dad was there to support her through it.it was tough the first few years, balancing a career and having time for the family and though she sometimes brought her office problems home with her, it was always a usual sight to see my dad talking through her problems with her and offering solutions.and now,both my parents are working and they both are equally the breadwinners of the family.

sigh i get really confused too babe.my parents are forever telling me that when i get married in the future, it has to be with someone who will understand my career and life aspirations.my mum's was to have a successful career and for that to happen, she needed my dad's support.and she had that.but what if my partner in the future does not understand that?i mean arent we surrounded by males who mostly want to have the upperhand in the relationship?i detest male chauvinism and im sure many other girls feel the same but yet,i see it in so many relationships out there.

i dont think we have to be in a state of submission.why must we submit to men?when the bible says 'submit',i prefer to read it in a way that it means,to respect,to love,to support. and in return, men too have to learn to 'submit' to us, just as we are 'submitting' to them, in that context.
Posted 11/2/2009 8:15 AM by addicted_21 - reply

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MEL!! Aiyoo..your two cents worth is anything BUT bleh! ;) In fact, i had hoped you would share your insight as you know we do come from quite similar family backgrounds with strong women ushering us through all the way. of course, our dads are strong too but they would NEVER require "submission" from our moms right?

I guess that is my main point. Even though it may be biblical to "submit", once a guy requires it from me, or forces me to, quoting the bible for that purpose, it becomes disgusting and manipulative. you get what i mean? It is not that i WANT my husband to be submissive to me instead, cos if i love him, i will not purposefully disrespect or defy him right? And i expect equal treatment i guess.

Furthermore, women are humans too with reasoning capabilities as well so what if we are RIGHT? Men should be able to lay down their pride and admit that they are wrong if they really are. If they could do this, we wouldn't need to "defy" them. unfortunately, guys are stubborn beings as well, which leaves us no choice but to go ahead and prove it to them that it is the best solution. cos obviously, i cant just sit there and let things go wrong can i... well, i can. but in the end both parties lose. All for the sake of protecting a guy's ego, i don't see how it is worth it (sometimes can la.. but not ALL the time right?) sigh..

i agree that we should be able to read in the context of submission to love, respect etc.
well, we are very blessed to have great supportive dads who supported our moms through thick and thin. Dads who are not too proud or too conceited to let our moms have the benefit of the doubt sometimes, who are able to give and take... i just pray our future partners will be able to give us what we need.

well, if not, we still have each other, no? ;)
Posted 11/2/2009 10:14 AM by shyian_shyian - reply

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EXACTLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!
i cant agree more with you.

babe u and me see eye to eye,i think we are meant fr each other haha!

Love u loads babe and catch up when you are back!xx
Posted 11/7/2009 1:55 PM by addicted_21 - reply

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Aiyoh... such a long post! Make my eyes cross over each other only haha...


I think the key here is not to submit "blindly". Neither should we submit grudgingly. I think everything has to be done willingly and out of love and respect for each other. Ultimately, it should be out of God's love. Humility is key.


I don't believe in fully submitting to a man, because they can be idiotic at times. I think that  major decisions need to be decided on together because both individuals have dreams and desires that are of equal importance. However, I believe in the need for men to rise up at crucial times and LEAD. Ya think?


And why do I seem to speak in point form?! LOL... Lyd, you know yourself best. Follow God, and follow your heart. In the end, a fulfilled life that's truly happy is what matters. :)

Posted 12/9/2009 9:29 AM by szemay - reply


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